Darien and Dr. Tobias Wilson-Bates dig into the underlying concept of the apocalypse and what it means to most people today. Joined by Marlee Jane Ward, host of the podcast Catastropod, which examines narratives of the apocalypse, they look at how stories of the apocalypse have evolved over time, whether we’re in the midst of one already, and whether they’re really all that bad to begin with.